(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[AGA]SZ[19]KM[0.50]TM[60]OT[25/900 Canadian]
PW[HamatoYosh]PB[deinos]WR[3k]BR[19k]DT[2007-01-23]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[deinos [19k\]: hello, and thank you
deinos [19k\]: several times you went right to where i needed
HamatoYosh [3k\]: you played well in the opening for your rank, your major problem was tactical situations
deinos [19k\]: looks like white owns the corner, and b has potential influence
]RE[W+251.50]
(;B[pd]BL[48.306]LB[pd:1]C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: how long have you been playing?
deinos [19k\]: playing on a clock, about a month
deinos [19k\]: reading books, about 6
HamatoYosh [3k\]: ah ok, you should be good for 19x19 then
deinos [19k\]: i have enjoyed the graded go prolems book
deinos [19k\]: books
deinos [19k\]: how so?

D: See the variation here for 2nd most common joseki]
(;W[dp]WL[17.011]C[deinos [19k\]: but i think im at a limit without more games
HamatoYosh [3k\]: there were a few groups that shouldnt have died
deinos [19k\]: i understand
]
;B[oq]BL[36.329]C[deinos [19k\]: i was unable to get anything alive
]
;W[dc]WL[13.008]
;B[po]BL[32.818]
;W[jq]WL[895.879]OW[24]LB[dc:1][ce:B][de:A]C[deinos [19k\]: m3 is aji keshi why?
deinos [19k\]: because i could approach later for better attack?
HamatoYosh [3k\]: here, there isnt such a concrete example, but 1 thing to notice is that m3 gains a small amount of territory, agreed?
HamatoYosh [3k\]: it is sente
deinos [19k\]: aah
HamatoYosh [3k\]: the biggest move on the board is almost garanteed to be A
HamatoYosh [3k\]: or B
deinos [19k\]: upper left is not enclosed, so perhaps a better place would be to attack the corner enclosure
deinos [19k\]: i get it, that makes good sense
HamatoYosh [3k\]: yes, approching 3-4 corners is very big, to keep them from making an enclosure
]
(;B[lq]BL[24.955]TR[mr][nr][ms][ns]C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: this play is kind of aji keshi
HamatoYosh [3k\]: are you familiar with japanese terms?
deinos [19k\]: not familiar with that term, i am with some
deinos [19k\]: fuseki
HamatoYosh [3k\]: what about aji?
deinos [19k\]: no
HamatoYosh [3k\]: aji is potential
HamatoYosh [3k\]: a ko threat could be aji, a possible invasion could be aji
HamatoYosh [3k\]: just anywhere theres potential to do something, its called aji
deinos [19k\]: i see
HamatoYosh [3k\]: aji keshi is a bad play that removes the aji in a position
deinos [19k\]: so m3 is this?
HamatoYosh [3k\]: when you say a play is aji keshi it usually means the aji was removed too soon or without a good reason
deinos [19k\]: i see
HamatoYosh [3k\]: i'll give you an easier to understand example..
deinos [19k\]: yes
deinos [19k\]: about 4 poitns
]
;W[gq]WL[836.272]OW[23]C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: white will respond to it, but white's play is much more helpful because it fixes up white's position
deinos [19k\]: i gave you an easy fall back to g3
HamatoYosh [3k\]: right
HamatoYosh [3k\]: so while your play gains only a few amont of points and doesnt really help your position that much, g3 actually fixes up the aji you had there
]
(;B[cm]BL[9.078]C[waykay [2k\]: Nice picture, Master Splinter.
deinos [19k\]: i agree
HamatoYosh [3k\]: haha, thank you
deinos [19k\]: doesnt that leave a shoulder to attack at d12?
HamatoYosh [3k\]: approaching the top left corner is much bigger
]
;W[cf]WL[776.419]OW[22]LB[jc:B][ck:A]C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: yes, this corner enclosure is too good for white because it threatens both A and B
HamatoYosh [3k\]: B is the direction of development for the d17 shimari
HamatoYosh [3k\]: (shimari means corner enclosure)
deinos [19k\]: i just looked that up
deinos [19k\]: thank you
HamatoYosh [3k\]: after white plays c14, black wants to play B to keep white from developing so well with his enclosure, but if black does that c7 will come under attack
HamatoYosh [3k\]: hey dsaun
deinos [19k\]: the japanese terms are helpful for being succinct
dsaun [-\]: hi, Ham
]
(;B[ci]BL[894.696]OB[24]C[deinos [19k\]: so c7 is much smaller that approach upper left, i see
HamatoYosh [3k\]: 3 spaces is a little dangerous along the 3rd line without another stone nearby (like at E7 or d7) but white's so far away i think its ok here
]
(;W[jc]WL[765.844]OW[21]C[deinos [19k\]: ive been doing that wrong a lot
]
;B[fm]BL[879.557]OB[23]C[deinos [19k\]: ah, yes
HamatoYosh [3k\]: ok, this helps your position but its regrettable that you had to spend another play here
]
;W[qf]WL[755.743]OW[20]LB[mc:C][nc:A][nd:B][qh:D][pi:E]C[deinos [19k\]: aha, that i recognize as another joseki
HamatoYosh [3k\]: i dont really like anything other than A here, dsaun?
deinos [19k\]: knights move away
dsaun [-\]: explain pincer
dsaun [-\]: pls
dsaun [-\]: i agree about A over B and C, but whadda I know :)
HamatoYosh [3k\]: these are other common moves for the position in the top left (ignoring the rest of the board), but with k17 there i only really like A
HamatoYosh [3k\]: C has left over aji in it, i dont usually play it, just a matter of style
dsaun [-\]: yeah
dsaun [-\]: well, esp. with k17
HamatoYosh [3k\]: B is so high, its already undercut by k17 a little
dsaun [-\]: A would be my style too, dunno if right, but it would be my move
deinos [19k\]: right, is more centered on influence
]
(;B[qd]BL[870.18]OB[22]C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: this play is too slow
HamatoYosh [3k\]: anyway, here is too slow, if you care so much about the corner, dont play the 4-4 in the opening
]
;W[qi]WL[748.544]OW[19]
;B[qk]BL[861.442]OB[21]
;W[pq]WL[735.957]OW[18]C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: i'm not sure if this works with m3 there, but this is the weakness of the p3/p5 enclosure
HamatoYosh [3k\]: that enclosure doesnt make solid corner territory, it can still be invaded easily
]
(;B[qp]BL[845.661]OB[20]C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: that trade is ok to make though, you get the corner
]
;W[op]WL[703.577]OW[17]C[deinos [19k\]: does attacking the lone stone make it stronger?
deinos [19k\]: attaching, i mean
HamatoYosh [3k\]: yes, in general attaching a lone stone does make it stronger, but... are you talking about the q4 play?
deinos [19k\]: white stone is now caught
deinos [19k\]: r4, very weak
]
(;B[np]BL[828.737]OB[19]
;W[pp]WL[698.022]OW[16]C[deinos [19k\]: allows white to build divide and live
]
(;B[qq]BL[810.5]OB[18]
;W[oo]WL[687.828]OW[15]C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: this way white splits your groups
deinos [19k\]: i tried so hard to kill that group in the upper left :(
]
;B[no]BL[805.031]OB[17]
;W[pn]WL[667.306]OW[14]C[deinos [19k\]: right, i mean
]
;B[qo]BL[789.313]OB[16]
;W[on]WL[665.708]OW[13]
;B[qm]BL[781.734]OB[15]C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: good play
]
;W[mm]WL[636.807]OW[12]
;B[nm]BL[760.948]OB[14]
;W[nn]WL[633.773]OW[11]
;B[mn]BL[756.654]OB[13]C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: before playing this, think about the problems all thos cuts could cause you
]
;W[nq]WL[614.167]OW[10]C[deinos [19k\]: n7 and o3?
]
(;B[mp]BL[742.864]OB[12]TR[no][mp][np]C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: this shape is bad
HamatoYosh [3k\]: you know about the empty triangle?
deinos [19k\]: the three stones?
deinos [19k\]: because it is inefficient
HamatoYosh [3k\]: yeah
deinos [19k\]: m6 looks much better now
HamatoYosh [3k\]: yeah, this shape here is still an empty trying and its not helping you out much
]
;W[ln]WL[607.996]OW[9]C[deinos [19k\]: i have heard it is bad
HamatoYosh [3k\]: whites capture at n5 is big because it connects the outside white stones to white's inner group
HamatoYosh [3k\]: so white has no more weaknesses and can just attack black strongly
]
(;B[nl]BL[723.791]OB[11]
;W[mo]WL[604.832]OW[8]C[deinos [19k\]: ack
]
(;B[lp]BL[719.498]OB[10]TR[lp][mp][lq]C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: another empty triangle
]
;W[or]WL[598.591]OW[7]
;B[jp]BL[683.243]OB[9]
;W[iq]WL[592.778]OW[6]
;B[ip]BL[676.276]OB[8]
;W[hp]WL[589.465]OW[5]
(;B[ho]BL[666.61]OB[7]
;W[io]WL[586.872]OW[4]
;B[hn]BL[648.963]OB[6]
;W[jo]WL[583.316]OW[3]
(;B[kp]BL[643.486]OB[5]C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: this extension doesnt help you out, those stones can't escape or make 2 eyes now
]
;W[im]WL[577.657]OW[2]C[deinos [19k\]: i should have just given up on those at that point?
HamatoYosh [3k\]: yes, you pretty much gave them up now, so dont give white j7 for free
]
;B[fo]BL[588.297]OB[4]TR[fm][hn][fo][ho]C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: this is a good shape
deinos [19k\]: i knew they were endangered, but i can see now they were not good
]
(;W[fp]WL[554.068]OW[1]C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: yes, you can play it when you want to move faster than with the bamboo joint
HamatoYosh [3k\]: it of course is weaker
]
(;B[do]BL[573.766]OB[3]C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: this allows me to fix my corner
]
;W[eo]WL[900]OW[25]
;B[en]BL[565.909]OB[2]
;W[ep]WL[898.937]OW[24]
;B[dn]BL[558.366]OB[1]
;W[nc]WL[883.799]OW[23]C[deinos [19k\]: ugh.  again with that proverb
]
(;B[oc]BL[900]OB[25]
;W[nd]WL[880.842]OW[22]LB[oc:1][nd:2]SQ[kc][lc][mc]C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: this exchange gives white ideal shape
HamatoYosh [3k\]: so you should look for something else
HamatoYosh [3k\]: good play here, dsaun?
]
(;B[ne]BL[890.141]OB[24]C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: this stone is too weak to do anything but get in trouble
deinos [19k\]: trying to "hit two stones on the head"
HamatoYosh [3k\]: it's not connected to the q16 group so white will attack it
deinos [19k\]: makes good sense
HamatoYosh [3k\]: yes, o17 is very strong, and o15 is very weak
]
(;W[oe]WL[864.972]OW[21]
;B[nf]BL[870.821]OB[23]
;W[of]WL[859.78]OW[20]
(;B[nh]BL[867.114]OB[22]
;W[od]WL[840.389]OW[19]
(;B[ob]BL[858.751]OB[21]LB[qb:A]TR[pc]C[deinos [19k\]: because i could kill a cutting stone?
HamatoYosh [3k\]: its ok for now i think, but be careful for white to play anywher around o18, n18, m17, etc
deinos [19k\]: with a net
deinos [19k\]: why n18?
HamatoYosh [3k\]: because white has a play at A to remove some eyespace
HamatoYosh [3k\]: just seems a little dangerous
]
(;W[nj]WL[796.411]OW[18]C[deinos [19k\]: trying to create a moyo
HamatoYosh [3k\]: a moyo is about overexpanding
]
(;B[fi]BL[836.132]OB[20]C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: you need to be more active in building moyos
]
;W[gh]WL[785.01]OW[17]C[deinos [19k\]: so knights move away to get ahead
HamatoYosh [3k\]: like this for instance, is a good way for white to build a moyo
]
;B[fh]BL[816.556]OB[19]
;W[fg]WL[778.845]OW[16]C[deinos [19k\]: seems counterintuitive
]
;B[gi]BL[812.151]OB[18]
;W[hh]WL[776.794]OW[15]
;B[hi]BL[808.859]OB[17]
;W[ih]WL[774.793]OW[14]LB[fg:4][fh:3][gh:2][hh:6][ih:8][fi:1][gi:5][hi:7]C[deinos [19k\]: thank you!
HamatoYosh [3k\]: notice with these exchanges white is building a much larger moyo up top
]
(;B[ji]BL[806.934]OB[16]C[deinos [19k\]: why dance back from the line, instead of trying to link with stones on right?
]
;W[ii]WL[773.17]OW[13]C[dsaun [-\]: but here, the 3 other b stones protect it
]
;B[ij]BL[805.329]OB[15]C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: theres a great link on senseis library about moyos, it's an excerpt from a boom, hold on...
deinos [19k\]: i see, because of the solid wall back to the top
deinos [19k\]: a boom?
HamatoYosh [3k\]: here http://senseis.xmp.net/?GoStrategy under "don't enclose"
dsaun [-\]: what is a "boom", Ham, pls?
HamatoYosh [3k\]: and here http://senseis.xmp.net/?HowToBreakOutOfBeginningKyuLevelsImmediateResults under "entering a large moyo"
HamatoYosh [3k\]: those are very helpful things to read concerning moyos
HamatoYosh [3k\]: i dont know what a boom is, umm, book
HamatoYosh [3k\]: sorry, can't type
deinos [19k\]: thank you very much for those links, 
]
;W[jj]WL[763.413]OW[12]C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: this way you have too many cuts
dsaun [-\]: you are right to worry about knight's move, because in other circumstances, it CAN be cut
]
;B[hk]BL[799.584]OB[14]C[deinos [19k\]: i will study those further as well
]
(;W[ik]WL[761.218]OW[11]
;B[hj]BL[797.948]OB[13]
;W[jk]WL[748.514]OW[10]
;B[ki]BL[791.27]OB[12]
;W[nk]WL[731.833]OW[9]
;B[mk]BL[776.622]OB[11]
;W[ml]WL[727.859]OW[8]
;B[ok]BL[774.733]OB[10]
;W[oj]WL[699.631]OW[7]
(;B[om]BL[751.089]OB[9]C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: this doesnt connect
HamatoYosh [3k\]: oops, sorry, accidentally hit close
]
(;W[eg]WL[691.375]OW[6]LB[db:B][ce:A]C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: isnt there an invasion for the o17 shimari somewhere?
deinos [19k\]: at this point is it impossible to invade the upper left?
HamatoYosh [3k\]: o17, i dont know where i got that
HamatoYosh [3k\]: c14*
dsaun [-\]: well, i keep wondering if w will play 018
dsaun [-\]: yeah, one spot is d18
dsaun [-\]: probe
dsaun [-\]: d18 plenty annoying :)
HamatoYosh [3k\]: ok, this is high level stuff but you've still got aji in the top left corner
HamatoYosh [3k\]: you can try one of these moves later
deinos [19k\]: okay
]
(;B[fc]BL[739.897]OB[8]C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: this isnt going to live and fighting over here is only going to weaken the stones at o14
]
;W[dd]WL[681.287]OW[5]C[dsaun [-\]: instead of j17...
dsaun [-\]: what do you think of k16?
]
(;B[fd]BL[735.208]OB[7]
;W[hc]WL[676.917]OW[4]
;B[ic]BL[734.099]OB[6]C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: this is an odd play, stuff like this usually doesnt work out
dsaun [-\]: ham, go back a sec, please?
]
;W[id]WL[639.246]OW[3]
;B[ib]BL[727.801]OB[5]
;W[hd]WL[629.011]OW[2]
(;B[jd]BL[717.324]OB[4]
;W[jb]WL[624.801]OW[1]C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: j18 has too few liberties for the cut to work
]
;B[hb]BL[714.134]OB[3]
;W[gb]WL[900]OW[25]
;B[jg]BL[700.861]OB[2]
;W[lf]WL[888.413]OW[24]C[dsaun [-\]: proverb:  [on 2nd line\] "6 die, 8 live"
deinos [19k\]: dang, dead already then
HamatoYosh [3k\]: ah, didnt know that proverb
]
(;B[le]BL[676.521]OB[1]
;W[kf]WL[870.598]OW[23]C[deinos [19k\]: when black builds up to that level, does it kill w at m145?
]
;B[me]BL[900]OB[25]C[deinos [19k\]: m14?
]
;W[lh]WL[866.529]OW[22]
;B[li]BL[892.852]OB[24]
;W[mh]WL[863.255]OW[21]
;B[ni]BL[886.83]OB[23]
;W[mi]WL[809.159]OW[20]
;B[lj]BL[867.535]OB[22]C[dsaun [-\]: hard for 4am reading:)
deinos [19k\]: east coaster?  
]
;W[jf]WL[800.311]OW[19]C[dsaun [-\]: yeh
]
;B[ig]BL[823.229]OB[21]
;W[gf]WL[794.598]OW[18]
;B[hg]BL[814.566]OB[20]
;W[gg]WL[792.923]OW[17]
;B[cg]BL[799.254]OB[19]
;W[bg]WL[783.132]OW[16]
;B[bh]BL[792.047]OB[18]
;W[dg]WL[781.402]OW[15]
;B[ch]BL[789.978]OB[17]
;W[bp]WL[761.47]OW[14]C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: you can ignore this
]
;B[co]BL[780.668]OB[16]
;W[nb]WL[749.778]OW[13]
(;B[cp]BL[764.642]OB[15]
;W[cq]WL[748.308]OW[12]
(;B[bq]BL[762.894]OB[14]
;W[br]WL[745.694]OW[11]
;B[bo]BL[761.407]OB[13]
;W[aq]WL[744.183]OW[10]
;B[ap]BL[758.19]OB[12]
;W[ao]WL[742.422]OW[9]
;B[an]BL[754.375]OB[11]
;W[qb]WL[705.655]OW[8]C[deinos [19k\]: silly mistake at a4
deinos [19k\]: s17 was my best guess to start
deinos [19k\]: didnt work out
HamatoYosh [3k\]: to kill white or to kill black?
deinos [19k\]: kill white
HamatoYosh [3k\]: the problem isnt killing white, its keeping white from making a dead eyeshape inside
deinos [19k\]: trying to let black live in the upper right corner
HamatoYosh [3k\]: if you kill white but can't make 2 eyes, that's not any good
deinos [19k\]: absolutely
]
(;B[pc]BL[732.087]OB[10]
;W[re]WL[689.962]OW[7]
(;B[rb]BL[722.107]OB[9]
;W[pm]WL[679.424]OW[6]C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: your sente
]
(;B[ol]BL[683.105]OB[8]
;W[ql]WL[665.386]OW[5]
(;B[pk]BL[654.122]OB[7]
;W[qn]WL[654.808]OW[4]
;B[rl]BL[633.476]OB[6]
;W[rm]WL[653.392]OW[3]
;B[pi]BL[608.028]OB[5]C[HoangVu [22k?\]: Did you guys play with handicap?
HamatoYosh [3k\]: no
HoangVu [22k?\]: ok
HamatoYosh [3k\]: this is a good play
]
;W[mj]WL[623.104]OW[2]C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: this stone is dead already, no need to extend
deinos [19k\]: which one?
]
(;B[lk]BL[602.5]OB[4]
;W[pj]WL[611.209]OW[1]
;B[ri]BL[524.312]OB[3]
;W[qh]WL[900]OW[25]
;B[rh]BL[518.092]OB[2]
;W[rg]WL[897.101]OW[24]
;B[qj]BL[512.041]OB[1]
;W[ro]WL[883.552]OW[23]C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: so this play kills
]
;B[rp]BL[900]OB[25]TR[qr]C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: this play doesnt help, this group is dead, which is something worth knowing
HamatoYosh [3k\]: the L group
HamatoYosh [3k\]: here you would need a stone at the triangle to make an L group, so you dont even have a full L group
]
;W[rc]WL[877.451]OW[22]
;B[rd]BL[883.293]OB[24]
;W[sb]WL[869.284]OW[21]
;B[qa]BL[856.009]OB[23]
;W[pa]WL[862.681]OW[20]
;B[qc]BL[807.039]OB[22]
;W[ra]WL[859.731]OW[19]
;B[ph]BL[777.603]OB[21]C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: this can be a ko threat
]
;W[qg]WL[857.168]OW[18]
;B[sd]BL[756.247]OB[20]C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: and this doesnt help
]
;W[bf]WL[827.525]OW[17]
;B[cc]BL[749.882]OB[19]
;W[db]WL[824.028]OW[16]
;B[cb]BL[743.899]OB[18]
;W[bd]WL[819.431]OW[15]
;B[bc]BL[713.44]OB[17]C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: less than an L group so it's dead
]
;W[ah]WL[743.612]OW[14]
;B[ai]BL[698.993]OB[16]
;W[ag]WL[742.477]OW[13]
;B[bj]BL[689.674]OB[15]C[deinos [19k\]: makes sense
]
;W[jm]WL[739.258]OW[12]
;B[hl]BL[677.588]OB[14]
;W[go]WL[726.543]OW[11]
;B[fn]BL[671.822]OB[13]
;W[eh]WL[713.007]OW[10]
;B[ei]BL[651.477]OB[12]
;W[gn]WL[708.336]OW[9]
;B[gm]BL[647.181]OB[11]
;W[gp]WL[707.269]OW[8]
(;B[pb]BL[628.158]OB[10]
;W[oa]WL[699.454]OW[7]
;B[kl]BL[585.149]OB[9]
;W[km]WL[695.339]OW[6]
;B[ll]BL[581.387]OB[8]
;W[dh]WL[677.984]OW[5]
;B[di]BL[574.012]OB[7]
;W[hm]WL[675.567]OW[4]
;B[gl]BL[561.801]OB[6]
;W[ap]WL[659.529]OW[3]
;B[bn]BL[556.521]OB[5]
;W[]WL[620.991]OW[2]
;B[da]BL[525.391]OB[4]
;W[ea]WL[617.423]OW[1]
;B[ca]BL[522.966]OB[3]
;W[eb]WL[900]OW[25]
;B[ab]BL[516.619]OB[2]
;W[ba]WL[896.93]OW[24]
;B[]BL[490.615]OB[1]
(;W[il]WL[895.731]OW[23]
;B[]BL[900]OB[25]
;W[]WL[895.731]OW[22]TW[aa][ca][da][fa][ga][ha][ia][ja][ka][la][ma][na][qa][sa][ab][bb][cb][fb][hb][ib][kb][lb][mb][ob][pb][rb][ac][bc][cc][ec][fc][gc][ic][kc][lc][mc][oc][pc][qc][sc][ad][cd][ed][fd][gd][jd][kd][ld][md][pd][qd][rd][sd][ae][be][ce][de][ee][fe][ge][he][ie][je][ke][le][me][ne][pe][qe][se][af][df][ef][ff][hf][if][mf][nf][pf][rf][sf][hg][ig][jg][kg][lg][mg][ng][og][pg][sg][jh][kh][nh][oh][ph][rh][sh][ji][ki][li][ni][oi][pi][ri][si][kj][lj][qj][rj][sj][kk][lk][mk][ok][pk][qk][rk][sk][jl][kl][ll][nl][ol][pl][rl][sl][lm][nm][om][qm][sm][hn][in][jn][kn][mn][rn][sn][ho][ko][lo][no][po][qo][so][ip][jp][kp][lp][mp][np][qp][rp][sp][bq][dq][eq][fq][hq][kq][lq][mq][oq][qq][rq][sq][ar][cr][dr][er][fr][gr][hr][ir][jr][kr][lr][mr][nr][pr][qr][rr][sr][as][bs][cs][ds][es][fs][gs][hs][is][js][ks][ls][ms][ns][os][ps][qs][rs][ss]TB[bi][aj][cj][dj][ej][fj][gj][ak][bk][ck][dk][ek][fk][gk][al][bl][cl][dl][el][fl][am][bm][dm][em][cn]C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: thank yu
deinos [19k\]: thank you
HamatoYosh [3k\]: you*
HamatoYosh [3k\]: h10 is alive
deinos [19k\]: very painful
]
;AE[rp])
(;W[]WL[896.93]OW[23]TW[aa][ca][da][fa][ga][ha][ia][ja][ka][la][ma][na][qa][sa][ab][bb][cb][fb][hb][ib][kb][lb][mb][ob][pb][rb][ac][bc][cc][ec][fc][gc][ic][kc][lc][mc][oc][pc][qc][sc][ad][cd][ed][fd][gd][jd][kd][ld][md][pd][qd][rd][sd][ae][be][ce][de][ee][fe][ge][he][ie][je][ke][le][me][ne][pe][qe][se][af][df][ef][ff][hf][if][mf][nf][pf][rf][sf][cg][hg][ig][jg][kg][lg][mg][ng][og][pg][sg][bh][ch][fh][jh][kh][nh][oh][ph][rh][sh][ai][bi][ci][di][ei][fi][gi][hi][ji][ki][li][ni][oi][pi][ri][si][aj][bj][cj][dj][ej][fj][gj][hj][ij][kj][lj][qj][rj][sj][ak][bk][ck][dk][ek][fk][gk][hk][kk][lk][mk][ok][pk][qk][rk][sk][al][bl][cl][dl][el][fl][gl][hl][il][jl][kl][ll][nl][ol][pl][rl][sl][am][bm][cm][dm][em][fm][gm][lm][nm][om][qm][sm][an][bn][cn][dn][en][fn][hn][in][jn][kn][mn][rn][sn][bo][co][do][fo][ho][ko][lo][no][po][qo][so][cp][ip][jp][kp][lp][mp][np][qp][rp][sp][bq][dq][eq][fq][hq][kq][lq][mq][oq][qq][rq][sq][ar][cr][dr][er][fr][gr][hr][ir][jr][kr][lr][mr][nr][pr][qr][rr][sr][as][bs][cs][ds][es][fs][gs][hs][is][js][ks][ls][ms][ns][os][ps][qs][rs][ss]))
(;B[hm])
(;B[il]C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: sente first
]
;W[jl]
;B[hm]
;W[in]
;B[dh]C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: alright, any questions?
deinos [19k\]: goodness gracious
deinos [19k\]: i think you have been very complete
deinos [19k\]: thank you so much!
HamatoYosh [3k\]: hope so, if you can't tell already, it'd help you to play around with the group at s8 to see why it can't live
HamatoYosh [3k\]: see you
deinos [19k\]: i am honored
deinos [19k\]: myu first teaching game online
HamatoYosh [3k\]: the honor is mine
deinos [19k\]: good bye
HamatoYosh [3k\]: bye
deinos [19k\]: bows
]))
(;B[qh]C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: n9
deinos [19k\]: yeah
]))
(;B[rl]
(;W[pk]
;B[pj]
;W[pl]
;B[rn])
(;W[qn]
;B[pl]
;W[rm]
;B[ql]
;W[ro]
;B[pj]
;W[pi]))
(;B[qn]C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: i think you should just protect here
])
(;B[rm]C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: or here, same thing
]))
(;B[rd]C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: p8 doesnt help
]
;W[qn]
;B[rn]
;W[rm]
;B[ro])
(;B[qn]C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: might wanna play here though to keep r7 around
]))
(;B[rd]C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: you dont really have any choice but to block if you still want to try to live
HamatoYosh [3k\]: but its hard
]
;W[rc]
;B[sd]
;W[sb]
;B[ra]
;W[qa]
;B[pa]C[deinos [19k\]: looks pretty bad for b
]
;W[rb]))
(;B[rc]
;W[re]
;B[rb]C[deinos [19k\]: when white invades at r18, 
]
;W[pb]
;B[pc]
;W[oa]
;B[pa]
;W[qa]
;B[ra]
;W[na]
;B[sd]
;W[rd]C[deinos [19k\]: its should be much easier to kill, shouldnt it?
])
(;B[pb]C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: this is a reasonable start i think
]
(;W[qc]
;B[rc]
;W[re]
;B[rb])
(;W[rc]
;B[rd]
;W[sb]
;B[ra])))
(;B[bo]C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: just here is better than the b3 sequence
]))
(;B[qb]C[dsaun [-\]: good night, good luck
deinos [19k\]: thank you dsaun
HamatoYosh [3k\]: good night, thanks for the help
HamatoYosh [3k\]: after w o18, you should probably play here, if white plays here, it looks really hard to live
]))
(;B[lg]C[dsaun [-\]: b L16 is sente, no?
HamatoYosh [3k\]: you can try to make some eyeshape here
])
(;B[kd]C[deinos [19k\]: eyeshape where?
HamatoYosh [3k\]: anyway, look for sente plays to help you out like this
deinos [19k\]: l16?
HamatoYosh [3k\]: yea, if white ignores
]
(;W[lc]C[dsaun [-\]: m16
]
;B[ld]C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: looks good
HamatoYosh [3k\]: well its a fight to kill m14
dsaun [-\]: if w plays k14
]
(;W[jf]
;B[if]C[deinos [19k\]: yes
dsaun [-\]: how about push L17?
])
(;W[mb]C[dsaun [-\]: ok :)
HamatoYosh [3k\]: hehe, ok, w needs to defend
deinos [19k\]: that looks better for black
HamatoYosh [3k\]: yeah
dsaun [-\]: n16 good?
HamatoYosh [3k\]: this does i think
]
(;B[jf]
;W[mi]
;B[mh]
;W[li]
;B[lh]
;W[jh]
;B[kh])
(;B[md]C[dsaun [-\]: hmm
dsaun [-\]: maybe not
deinos [19k\]: i see
]
(;W[mg]
;B[ng]
;W[li]C[deinos [19k\]: w cuts at n15?
])
(;W[me]
(;B[lg])
(;B[mf]
;W[le]
;B[lg]C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: black can just capture
])))
(;B[mi]C[dsaun [-\]: well, even it w gets part of your group, you made other part live in his territory that way
HamatoYosh [3k\]: not sure if its alive though
])))
(;W[sa]
;B[kb]
;W[ia]
;B[kc]C[dsaun [-\]: o18 rather than n18?
]
(;W[ga]
;B[nb])
(;W[ha]
(;B[nb]C[deinos [19k\]: much better result, i see
HamatoYosh [3k\]: if this works i think its better
HamatoYosh [3k\]: better endgame, helps out againts r18..
dsaun [-\]: yeah, if it works
dsaun [-\]: does it?
]
(;W[mb]
;B[mc]C[dsaun [-\]: ok
HamatoYosh [3k\]: think so
]
;W[lc]
;B[md]
(;W[lb]
;B[ld]
;W[ka]
;B[ma])
(;W[ld]
;B[me]))
(;W[me]C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: yeah, this way m14 can live, but you're in w's territory
]))
(;B[mb]
;W[nb]
;B[na])))))
(;B[jb]
;W[kc]C[deinos [19k\]: 5 points along the edge
]
;B[hb]C[deinos [19k\]: that looks connected perhaps?
]
;W[eb]
;B[fb]
;W[gc]
;B[gb]
;W[kb]C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: i dont think it will live, but its got a better chance anyway
]))
(;B[ic]C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: "attach for defense"
HamatoYosh [3k\]: i think this has a better chance of living than any other play over here
deinos [19k\]: i see
HamatoYosh [3k\]: o15 will suffer though
])
(;B[jd]C[deinos [19k\]: attach on the outside
dsaun [-\]: if b center group could live, b will gladly give f17
HamatoYosh [3k\]: to help out o15?
dsaun [-\]: yes, or make w choose?
deinos [19k\]: hane to either side 
HamatoYosh [3k\]: yeah, looks good
HamatoYosh [3k\]: so w's choice, b gets something either way
]))
(;B[kf]C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: try to make your existing stones live
HamatoYosh [3k\]: for now you need to work on this group
])
(;B[ce])
(;B[db]C[dsaun [-\]: and earlier, c15
]))
(;W[pm]
;B[ol]
;W[pk]))
(;B[pl]C[dsaun [-\]: oh, ok :)
dsaun [-\]: thanks :)
HamatoYosh [3k\]: so here to connect the stones
]))
(;W[jk]))
(;B[jj]C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: if you're behind, play the knights move to get ahead
HamatoYosh [3k\]: you mean with k10?
deinos [19k\]: yes?
HamatoYosh [3k\]: because it can't be cut
]
;W[ii]
;B[ij]
;W[hj]C[deinos [19k\]: ooh
]
;B[hk])
(;B[ki]))
(;B[kg]C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: yeah, this group is in big trouble right now though
])
(;B[dg]
;W[df]
;B[eg]
;W[ef]
;B[fg]
;W[ff]C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: this isnt good either because of white's wall, but
HamatoYosh [3k\]: just looking at black, it's a much better moyo, because it threatens to become a large amount of territory, so white feels the need to reduce immediately, and then you can attack a reducing stone
]))
(;W[lc]C[deinos [19k\]: got it
]
;B[nb]
;W[mb]C[deinos [19k\]: r18 defends against an invasion
]))
(;B[pc]C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: i think q17 is better
]
(;W[ob]
;B[pb]
;W[nb]C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: wait
]
(;B[qe]C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: this is alive
])
(;B[re]
;W[rf]
;B[rc]))
(;W[re]
;B[rd]C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: yes, good time to point that out
]
;W[ob]
;B[pb]
;W[nb]
;B[rb]C[dsaun [-\]: please note how silly o15 became, w got all linked up, b got cut
])))
(;B[le]C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: this play creates some aji around m17/m18
]
;W[lc]
;B[mi]TR[le][ne][nf]C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: if white protects, you can go as far as n11
HamatoYosh [3k\]: from this shape
deinos [19k\]: three lines
deinos [19k\]: makes sense
deinos [19k\]: any further and not connected
HamatoYosh [3k\]: its a large knights move from o14, which is usually weak, but m15 will help it out some
]
;W[mh]C[deinos [19k\]: hane?
HamatoYosh [3k\]: if white insists on cutting, no problem, let him cut and build some stones somewhere
]
;B[lh]
;W[mg]
;B[lg]
;W[li]
(;B[jh])
(;B[ni]
;W[oh]
;B[jh]
;W[lj]C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: this is fine for black
])))
(;AB[od]C[dsaun [-\]: slade's quasi-proverb: don't throw tennis balls at tanks
HamatoYosh [3k\]: you need a stone at p16 to do that
HamatoYosh [3k\]: haha
]))
(;LB[id:B][of:A]C[deinos [19k\]: chasing which?
HamatoYosh [3k\]: the r14 group
HamatoYosh [3k\]: hard to attack effectively though
dsaun [-\]: sorry, was multitasking
HamatoYosh [3k\]: you want to limit white's moyo on the top somehow because its big
]
(;B[of]C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: you could attack this group and try to reduce white's top by chasing it
HamatoYosh [3k\]: its not exactly alive
deinos [19k\]: oh
]
;W[oi])
(;B[id]LB[ic:B][jd:A]C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: you could try to shoulder hit here
HamatoYosh [3k\]: o17?
HamatoYosh [3k\]: oh
HamatoYosh [3k\]: yes
HamatoYosh [3k\]: i misread
deinos [19k\]: the good shape you referred to
HamatoYosh [3k\]: yeah its strong but white will have to respond to this
HamatoYosh [3k\]: and whichever direction white goes you keep going that direction to avoid being hit on the head
]
(;W[jd]
(;B[ie]C[deinos [19k\]: what then would black do
deinos [19k\]: ah
])
(;B[ic]C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: dont come down like this
]
;W[ie]C[deinos [19k\]: forms influence to make the solid wall
]))
(;W[ic]
;B[hd]C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: if you can reduce white's territory to 3rd line territory and make influnce at the same time, you're in business
]))
(;B[de]C[deinos [19k\]: but k17 is strong because of o 16 o17, isnt it?
HamatoYosh [3k\]: i think this is a play for reducing the d17/d14 shimari
])))
(;B[nd]
;W[md]
;B[oc]
;W[ne]
;B[od]
;W[mc]SQ[kc][lc]C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: this way white's overconcentrated
HamatoYosh [3k\]: not ideal
])
(;B[oe]LB[lc:A]C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: you could aim at A or attacking white r14
]))
(;B[cq]
;W[cp]
;B[bp]
;W[bo]
;B[br]
;W[ap]
;B[bq]C[deinos [19k\]: does d2 kill?
]
(;W[dr]
;B[co]
(;W[cn]C[dsaun [-\]: that shape you were discussing is sometimes called "the table shape"
]
;B[do]
;W[bn]
;B[dq]
;W[ep]
;B[er]C[dsaun [-\]: i had best make sure we are talking of same thing, you mean f7, f5, h5/6 shape, yes?
deinos [19k\]: yes
dsaun [-\]: thanks
])
(;W[bn]
;B[cn]C[deinos [19k\]: thank you dsaun
HamatoYosh [3k\]: ah, thanks
HamatoYosh [3k\]: no, d2 doesnt kill
]))
(;W[co]
;B[dr]C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: so white needs to protect
])))
(;W[eq]C[deinos [19k\]: is there a name for that?
deinos [19k\]: shape?
HamatoYosh [3k\]: i dont know
deinos [19k\]: i know bamboo, 
deinos [19k\]: okay
deinos [19k\]: looks similar
HamatoYosh [3k\]: i should have played here to protect my corner
]))
(;B[mc]))
(;B[in]C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: white can cut at j5, so you can't play h5
deinos [19k\]: ah, run away because i was hit on the head
HamatoYosh [3k\]: the jump at j6 is good
]))
(;B[ko])
(;B[kp]C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: for comparison, this play does more, it helps get black out farther, and protects against w m4 t the same time
]))
(;B[mo]
;W[or]
;B[kn]
;W[lm]
;B[jp]C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: its not pleasant but you can get out this wy
HamatoYosh [3k\]: way*
]))
(;B[lm]
(;W[mo]C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: white might do this
])
(;W[ml]
;B[mo]
;W[ol]C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: o3?
]
(;B[nr])
(;B[mq]C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: you mean n3?
deinos [19k\]: you cut me at o3, 
])))
(;B[ln]C[deinos [19k\]: is it still the empty when it connects at m3?
deinos [19k\]: trying to make a link there to help run away
deinos [19k\]: understood
]))
(;B[oo]C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: so think along terms of making your opponent live small and trapping them in, instead of just killing
]
;W[qq]
;B[or]C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: white's in trouble this way
]
;W[rp]
;B[qo]
;W[ro]
;B[rn]C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: and even if it lives it'll be very small and you'll have it trapped in
]))
(;B[pp]
;W[nq]
;B[or]
;W[nr]
;B[oo]
;W[np]
;B[pr]C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: how about this?
HamatoYosh [3k\]: yeah but so is m3
HamatoYosh [3k\]: more or less
]
(;W[lo])
(;W[lp]C[deinos [19k\]: Oh!
])))
(;B[pp]C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: this play is more solid
deinos [19k\]: yes
HamatoYosh [3k\]: this isnt an attachment, it's a hane
deinos [19k\]: ah
dsaun [-\]: deinos, q3 is already contacting p3
deinos [19k\]: oops
HamatoYosh [3k\]: attaching is to play against a stone that has no other of your stones touching it
dsaun [-\]: so usual answer, is for p3 either to extend, or hane
HamatoYosh [3k\]: here, white played the attachment
HamatoYosh [3k\]: right, if you get attached, usually either extend or hane
HamatoYosh [3k\]: you should probably look at playing hane first, and if that doesnt work out, extend
]))
(;B[nd]
(;W[nb]C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: w can do this stuff later
])
(;AE[jc]C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: but without k17 this is wine
HamatoYosh [3k\]: fine*
]))
(;AB[qh])
(;B[qh]C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: a pincer..
]
;W[of]C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: i would play here as white
]
;B[nd]
;W[pi]
;B[ph]C[dsaun [-\]: <nod>
]
;W[oh]
;B[qi]
;W[pj]
;B[qj]
;W[pk]
;B[ql]C[deinos [19k\]: a pincer seems to encourage white to move out to connect to stones on upper left?
HamatoYosh [3k\]: this is joseki
HamatoYosh [3k\]: the problem here is black just doesnt gain enough with o16 for it to be useful i think
dsaun [-\]: not so much connect; thing is, b's corner keeps getting weaker?
HamatoYosh [3k\]: but with k17, its a little weak and can't develop any farther
]
;AE[jc]C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: again, without k17 this is much better for black because his coner can still develop
])
(;B[nc]C[deinos [19k\]: so either pincer or knights enclosure
]
;W[rd]C[deinos [19k\]: but r17 is terrible
]
(;B[qc]
;W[qi]C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: guess black has to live with this then
HamatoYosh [3k\]: this is a joseki as well, deinos
deinos [19k\]: seems to give away the right side
HamatoYosh [3k\]: the white shape at s16, r14, and r11 is an ideal shape
deinos [19k\]: but yes, that looks familiar
])
(;B[qg]C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: black could try this i guess
HamatoYosh [3k\]: but this is a little complicated for this lesson
deinos [19k\]: looks much riskier
]
;W[pg]
;B[qh]
;W[ph]
;B[qi]
;W[pe]
;B[qc]
;W[od]
;B[oc]
;W[qd]
;B[pc]C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: i think this is one of the josekis ?
deinos [19k\]: /me nods
]))
(;B[mc]C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: youre right
HamatoYosh [3k\]: i think you need to play here then
HamatoYosh [3k\]: so that r17 wont be so painful
dsaun [-\]: w may test it at o17 for example
HamatoYosh [3k\]: right now?
dsaun [-\]: maybe make base on right side first
]
(;W[rd]
;B[qc]
;W[qi])
(;W[qi]C[dsaun [-\]: this has its own problems
]))
(;AE[pd]AB[qc]C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: here, you dont need to protect the corne
]
;B[nd]C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: so you can develop faster
]))
(;W[ck]C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: this could be a problem though
]))
(;B[jc]C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: i think you need to play here
HamatoYosh [3k\]: the c7 stone will be attacked, but it will be ok
]
;W[ck]
;B[cp]
;W[cq]C[deinos [19k\]: was trying to make a base along the left side
]
;B[bq]
;W[co]
;B[bp]
;W[bo]
;B[dq]
;W[do]
;B[eq])
(;B[cj]C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: you should probably just go 2
deinos [19k\]: much tighter to do two lines
deinos [19k\]: i se
HamatoYosh [3k\]: yes, remember the proverb
]
;W[jc]
;B[pj]C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: black would much rather play this way
]))
(;))
(;B[fq]C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: later on you may decide to use the aji this way
HamatoYosh [3k\]: it's not a good play right now, so you should wait and see the best way to use it
HamatoYosh [3k\]: it may be a good play later
])
(;B[de]LB[dc:1][de:2]
;W[ce]LB[dc:1][ce:3][de:2]
;B[cf]LB[dc:1][ce:3][de:2][cf:4]
;W[cd]LB[dc:1][cd:5][ce:3][de:2][cf:4]
(;B[dg]LB[dc:1][cd:5][ce:3][de:2][cf:4][dg:6]
;W[fc]LB[dc:1][fc:7][cd:5][ce:3][de:2][cf:4][dg:6]
;B[ck]LB[dc:4][fc:12][cd:10][pd:1][ce:8][de:7][cf:9][dg:11][ck:13][po:5][dp:2][jq:6][oq:3]C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: do you know this joseki?
HamatoYosh [3k\]: this is the most common
deinos [19k\]: i do not really know any joseki by heart, only recognize the shapes
HamatoYosh [3k\]: this one and the one i showed you earlier are really the only joseki you'll need for now
HamatoYosh [3k\]: these two show up very often though
deinos [19k\]: okay, i will definitely study them
])
(;B[df]
;W[fc]
(;B[cj]LB[dj:A]TR[cf][df]SQ[cg][ch][ci]C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: black can also play more solidly this way
HamatoYosh [3k\]: A instead of c10 is good too
deinos [19k\]: d12/c12?
deinos [19k\]: because unable to make a base or kill black, white dies
deinos [19k\]: got it
HamatoYosh [3k\]: a very good proverb to know is "if 1 extend 2, if 2 extend 3"
deinos [19k\]: i have heard that, but didnt see it
HamatoYosh [3k\]: the proverb is talking about making an extension for a base along the 3rd line
deinos [19k\]: makes good sense now
]
(;W[dh]C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: here?
deinos [19k\]: yes
]
;B[ch]C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: this is no problem for black
])
(;W[ch]
;B[dh]C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: neither is this
]))
(;C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: if its out in the middle, the proverb doesnt apply
HamatoYosh [3k\]: usually in the middle its better to play closer
deinos [19k\]: only along the edge?
]
;B[cj]C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: yes, only along the 3rd (or sometimes 4th) line
deinos [19k\]: much better shape
]))))
(;W[qf]LB[pd:1][qf:2]
(;B[qh]LB[pd:1][qf:2][qh:3]C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: it arrives with any pincer
]
;W[qc]LB[qc:4][pd:1][qf:2][qh:3]
;B[qd]LB[qc:4][pd:1][qd:5][qf:2][qh:3]
;W[pc]LB[pc:6][qc:4][pd:1][qd:5][qf:2][qh:3]
;B[od]LB[pc:6][qc:4][od:7][pd:1][qd:5][qf:2][qh:3]
;W[rd]LB[pc:6][qc:4][od:7][pd:1][qd:5][rd:8][qf:2][qh:3]
;B[re]LB[pc:6][qc:4][od:7][pd:1][qd:5][rd:8][re:9][qf:2][qh:3]
;W[rc]LB[pc:6][qc:4][rc:10][od:7][pd:1][qd:5][rd:8][re:9][qf:2][qh:3]
;B[qe]LB[pc:6][qc:4][rc:10][od:7][pd:1][qd:5][rd:8][qe:11][re:9][qf:2][qh:3]
;W[nc]LB[nc:12][pc:6][qc:4][rc:10][od:7][pd:1][qd:5][rd:8][qe:11][re:9][qf:2][qh:3]C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: you'
HamatoYosh [3k\]: you're familiar with this joseki?
deinos [19k\]: not specifically
HamatoYosh [3k\]: this is probably the second most common of all joseki, its a very good one to know
])
(;B[pi]C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: so something like this too
deinos [19k\]: nods
HamatoYosh [3k\]: white invades the 3-3 in response
]
;W[qc]
;B[qd]C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: black seperates white's 2 stones
]
;W[pc]C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: here black has to extend to p16, if he tries p17 he will have problems because of the r14 stone
]
(;B[oc]
;W[rc]
;B[rd]
;W[od]C[deinos [19k\]: i see
HamatoYosh [3k\]: the r14 stone is a big problem now
])
(;B[od]C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: so black extends
HamatoYosh [3k\]: here is an example of aji
HamatoYosh [3k\]: there is aji in the r14 stone
HamatoYosh [3k\]: for instance, white could try something like s15 to get it a small itty bitty base
]
(;W[rd]C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: so white decides to use the aji of the r14 stone to make his group strong and take the rest of the corner in sente
]
;B[re]
;W[rc]
;B[qe]C[deinos [19k\]: ah, so that is why it comes out that way
HamatoYosh [3k\]: the r14 stone still has a little aji in it, but not as much as it used to
]
(;W[rf]
;AE[rf]C[deinos [19k\]: because it is almost surrounded?
HamatoYosh [3k\]: later on if white gets help along the right side, this could become a problem
HamatoYosh [3k\]: but yes, right now, r14 is more or less dead
deinos [19k\]: understood
HamatoYosh [3k\]: but it still poses a small threat, so not all aji is gone, but most of it
])
(;W[nc]LB[lc:A][me:B]C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: then white  jumps to o17 to finnish the joseki
HamatoYosh [3k\]: this is where i wanted to illustrate aji keshi
HamatoYosh [3k\]: a common mistake for beginners is to push at p17
HamatoYosh [3k\]: the play at p17 is worth 1 point in sente, but 1 point is very very small
deinos [19k\]: yes
HamatoYosh [3k\]: there are other ways black can use white's hole at p17
HamatoYosh [3k\]: so the push is aji keshi
HamatoYosh [3k\]: for instance
HamatoYosh [3k\]: exactly, so black should wait and see which of these plays are going to be a better use to him
]
(;B[oc]C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: this is called a push
deinos [19k\]: oh
deinos [19k\]: reducing whites territory
]
;W[ob]
(;B[nd]
;W[mc]C[deinos [19k\]: peep
]
;C[deinos [19k\]: so save the move for later when it may be of use?
HamatoYosh [3k\]: the play at g10 is a peep
HamatoYosh [3k\]: black connects to a peep
])
(;B[lc]C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: but now there is no threat
]))
(;B[lc]LB[ob:A]C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: later on a black play here threatens to play A
]
;W[dp]
;B[ob]
;W[oc]
;B[nb])
(;B[me]C[deinos [19k\]: i removed the chance to do something later
HamatoYosh [3k\]: black could also choose this move, which is almost always considered sente
HamatoYosh [3k\]: white responds at n17 to keep black from playing the same spot, ruining his possibility to make territory along the top
]
;W[mc])))
(;W[re]
;B[rd]C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: this of course hurts the r17 group
HamatoYosh [3k\]: so its not a good play
])
(;W[of]C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: white could also try running
HamatoYosh [3k\]: that's not a good play either because r17 is still too weak
])))))
(;B[qd]
;W[cp]
;B[cd]
;W[pp]
;B[oc]C[dsaun [-\]: (hey, slayde)
]
;W[eq]C[deinos [19k\]: understandable
]
;B[ed]
;W[cj]C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: this is from a pro game, white c10 is definitely the biggest play on the board because it both develops white's bottom shimari and limits the development of blacks top left shimari
slayde [14k\]: hey, dsaun =)
])
(;B[iq]
;W[jq]
;B[ip]
;W[jp]
;B[io]
;W[kn]
;B[im]C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: if you're ahead you can jump
]
;W[jl]
;B[il]
;W[jk]
;B[ik]
;W[jj]C[deinos [19k\]: h11?
HamatoYosh [3k\]: if you're behind you need knights moves
]
(;B[hi]C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: yes
])
(;B[ii]C[deinos [19k\]: i see
]
;W[ij]
;B[hj]C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: jumping from behing just gives you too many cuts
]))
(;AW[eq][fq][gq][hq][iq][jq][kq][lq][mq][nq][er][nr]AB[fr][gr][hr][ir][jr][kr][lr][mr]C[dsaun [-\]: proverb on 3rd line:  "4 die, 6 live"
dsaun [-\]: and in case of 2nd line, if its 7 in row, depends whose turn
deinos [19k\]: i understand
HamatoYosh [3k\]: ok, helpful proverb, i always stop and read it out :(
])
(;AW[pb][pc][pd][pe][qe][re]AB[qb][qc][qd][rd]C[deinos [19k\]: l group is dead?
HamatoYosh [3k\]: blacks group here is called the L group
HamatoYosh [3k\]: and yes it's dead
HamatoYosh [3k\]: so the L group is dead
]
(;B[sb]C[deinos [19k\]: just because of the corner?
HamatoYosh [3k\]: here seems to be the best attempt to try to save it
HamatoYosh [3k\]: but it doesnt work
]
;W[ra]
;B[qa]
;W[sd]
;B[sc]
;W[rb]C[deinos [19k\]: ugh
HamatoYosh [3k\]: can't make 2 eyes
deinos [19k\]: i see
])
(;B[rb]
;W[sc]
;B[sd]
;W[qa]
;B[ra]
;W[sb])
(;AW[qf][rf]AB[re]C[deinos [19k\]: got it
HamatoYosh [3k\]: this is called the L+1 group and it's alive depending on whose turn it is
HamatoYosh [3k\]: also an L+1 group
HamatoYosh [3k\]: how to kill as white?
deinos [19k\]: t17?
HamatoYosh [3k\]: there are some plays on the inside thatll do it, but, theres a really easy way to do it
HamatoYosh [3k\]: that requires no reading
]
;B[]
(;W[se]TR[qb][qc][qd][rd]C[HamatoYosh [3k\]: turn it into an L group
deinos [19k\]: hane 
HamatoYosh [3k\]: you already know the L group is dead
deinos [19k\]: got it, then its an l group
HamatoYosh [3k\]: so no reading required
deinos [19k\]: i see
])
(;AW[ob][oc]AB[pb]C[deinos [19k\]: neat trick
HamatoYosh [3k\]: L+2 is of course alive
]))))